midface ratio and philtrum reduction, my journey

[midfacewtf]

yo guys, quick update on my midface journey. been grinding hard on mewing and trying to maximize compactness. current ratio from lower eyelid to upper lip (subnasale) is like 1.4:1, philtrum 17mm. aiming for sub-15mm and under 1.3:1. been focusing on tongue posture and chewing, def seeing some subtle changes in malar projection. my fWHR is acc improving too. ngl it's tough but the goal is to ascend past midface fraud status. anyone else seeing philtrum reduction from strict mewing? or is it just cope?

 

[casualmaxx]

ngl might be a dumb question but how do you guys even measure this stuff accurately? my philtrum looks normal in the mirror but now im paranoid lol. is 17mm actually bad for a MTN?

 

[DoctorPSL]

Before you commit to a bullhorn lip lift to fix your philtrum, post your CT scans or at least a profile pic. If you have vertical maxillary excess, a lip lift is a massive cope. You'll just end up with incompetent lips and looking like a simian.

If the issue is skeletal, you need a LeFort I osteotomy with impaction to actually address the midface ratio. If you just have a long soft-tissue philtrum, a subnasal lip lift is viable, but the scar burden in the nasal sill is a major failo if your surgeon doesn't anchor to the periosteum. Rough cost is 3-5k.

Don't hardmax until you've ruled out dental/skeletal issues. Not medical advice.

 

[coldeye]

jfl at caring abt 2mm of philtrum when your lower eyelid position is probably trash anyway. if you have high scleral show and NCT, a 1.3 midface won't save you from being subhuman. check your orbital rim first.